The IU Percussion Ensemble had a terrific concert season this year. Please check them out (click on the above photo).
FSU Visit
I had a terrific experience working with the percussion students at FSU in Tallahassee, Florida this past week. BRAVO to
Professor John Parks and the percussion studio at FSU! My visit began with a rather crazy masterclass on Sunday evening
(after I had been on the road for 7 hours) followed by lessons, a special Seminar (with awesome brownies) and a class in
which we went through the process of putting on a new timpani head. Special thanks to Matt Jordan - I still owe you some
money for meals . . .
Zildjian Score Magazine - Online
Check out the LATEST Zildjian Score Online Magazine Videos!
Tafoya in Tennessee!
Photo: University of Tennessee at Martin (UTM)
I had a terrific time in Tennessee - visiting the Blair School of Music (Vanderbilt University), UTM, and the University of
Evansville. Special thanks to Mr. Bill Wiggins (Blair), Julie Hill (UTM), and Bill Shaltis (UE)!
Houghton and Tafoya BURN IT UP on Santorini!
Steve Houghton and John Tafoya premiered "Santorini"- a duet for drum set and timpani by Steve Houghton. This piece
was part of the IU Summer Percussion Academy/Workshop's Faculty Recital which took place Monday, July 19 in Auer Hall.
Other performers included Kevin Bobo, John Kilkenny, Michael Spiro, and the Steve Houghton Jazz Trio.
IU Summer Percussion Academy and Workshop News
The World of Percussion Concert
The IU Summer Percussion Academy/Workshop got off to a GREAT START this evening with "The World of Percussion"
concert - featuring our counselors and staff performing solos and duets. The second half of the program featured Michael
Spiro showcasing our Steel Pan, Afro-Cuban and Brazilian Ensembles.
For information on this summer event click
HERE
The IU Summer Percussion Academy/Workshop faculty will be featured in a recital tomorrow (Monday, 7/19) evening at
7 pm in Auer Hall.
NOI Percussionists ROCK during
Chamber Music Week!
The National Orchestral Institute began its
Chamber Music Week on May 31 which
included 2 percussion chamber performances
(Hollinden: The Whole Toy Laid Down and
Hollo: Jose Before John 5 on Saturday, June
5 as well as Burritt: Doomsday Machine and
Fitkin: Hook on Sunday June 6) at the Clarice
Performing Arts Center on the campus of the
University of Maryland's School of Music.
The NOI Percussionists were AWESOME this
year! Performing the above repertoire at an
incredibly high level!
[Pictured (left to right top row): Elliot, Nick,
and Joe
(bottom row left to right): Karli, Katy, and
Yours Truly].
Thanks for a TERRIFIC Week!!
Another Awesome Week at the Arizona MusicFest
I had the opportunity to perform as principal timpanist for the
Arizona MusicFest Orchestra
(Scottsdale, AZ) during the
week of February 21st. The orchestra, under the direction of Robert Moody, performed 4 concerts (12 services!) and
included orchestral musicians from major symphony orchestras.
The Timpani Supplement
More Pictures and Documents
by Edmund A. Bowles
Timpani enthusiasts will WANT to pick up this book - which includes a few photos of my
instruments as well!
Order it
HERE
on Amazon.com.
Check out John Tafoya's
Native American Percussion Debut(!)
Be sure to check out David Patterson's work, "Beaver Moon" -- taken from a recent recording
session with Native American Flutist James Pellerite.
Click
HERE
to listen to this recording.
Tafoya's Drums featured on Wikipedia
Click
HERE
to view the Wikipedia Timpani webpage.
From Meredith Music Publications!
THE DRUM AND PERCUSSION COOKBOOK:
CREATIVE RECIPES FOR PLAYERS AND TEACHERS
edited by Rick Mattingly
ISBN 978-1-57463-101-2
This valuable collection of quick-to-read yet deeply insightful strategies is like finding
expert trade secrets all placed in one easy, quick-to-read source. Contributors to the
book were even eager to get a look at each other's ideas! With outstanding records
of performance, workshop clinics, recordings, research, composition, leadership, and
teaching, the 57 authors provide their favorite "recipes" that cover an extreme range
of topics from rudiments to rock, drum set to symphonic playing and keyboard
percussion to interpretation.
Contributing authors include: Kenny Aronoff, Anders Astrand, John H. Beck, Michael
Burritt, Bill Cahn, James Campbell, Anthony Cirone, Christopher Deane, Robin
Engelman, Peter Erskine, Mark Ford, Danny Gottlieb, Gordon Gottlieb, Neil Grover, Rich
Holly, Steve Houghton, Glenn Kotche, William Moersch, Jeff Moore, Al Payson, Michael
Rosen, Ed Saindon, Dave Samuels, Ed Shaughnessy, Ed Soph, John Tafoya, Garwood
Whaley, She-e Wu, and MANY OTHERS!!!
For more information go to:
http://www.meredithmusic.com/
and click on "What's New!"
Teflon Tape
A few people have Emailed me recently inquiring about teflon tape - primarly where to purchase it. The teflon tape used on
the lip of timpani bowls (to act as a lubricant between the bowl lip and the head) is not the same kind of teflon tape you'll
find at your local hardware store.
Here are a couple places that carry teflon tape:
Mr. Marshall E. Light
American Drum Manufacturing Co.
P.O. Box 40403
Denver, CO 80204
-highly recommended
Lefima (USA) now has a kit available w/ Teflon Tape, Teflon Aerosol Spray, Grease &
Grease Gun for grease fittings. Also available separately.
Prices on request. Contact
Everett M. Beale, U.S. Agent. Tel/Fax: 978-649-7685
web:
www.lefima-usa.com
.
Indiana University Jacobs School of Music percussion students
had a terrific time at PASIC (held in Indianapolis)
this year. There was a significant "IU Presence", with several students earning awards.
Christopher Latournes
was named Winner of the PASIC Orchestral Percussion Mock Audition. The judges included
professional musicians from the Boston Symphony Orchestra, Philadelphia Orchestra, Kansas City Symphony, and U.S.
"President's Own" Marine Band.
Nick Taylor
was awarded First Place in the PASIC Marching Festival Individual Competition, Collegiate Snare Drum
Category, after performing a unique and awe-inspiring solo.
Colin Hill
received a Second Place award in the highly competitive PASIC Marching Festival Individual Competition,
Collegiate Keyboard Category.
Separate from the specific awards, the
IU Drumline,
under the direction of Joel Brainard, performed in the College
Standstill Exhibition as part of the Marching Percussion Festival at PASIC. Although this was an exhibition, the drumline was
adjudicated by the nation's most reputable marching percussion teachers and arrangers. The audience cheered as the IU
Drumline loosened up the crowd, and demonstrated how
much fun it can be to perform in a college drumline.
Finally, the
Indiana University Latin Jazz Ensemble
under
the direction of Michael Spiro was featured in a
special performance for the Hall of Fame Celebration,
and had the entire crowd of distinguished guests and
artists on their feet, applauding their stellar
performance.
BRAVO to all the
wonderful efforts of the IU
percussion students!
Equally inspiring was the
leadership of
Steve
Houghton
, President of PAS.
He worked on the planning of
PASIC for the last year,
developed the incredible PAS museum, was involved in the Ribbon cutting for the Grand Opening
of Rhythm! Discovery Center, and was a keynote speaker on behalf of PAS. He
presided over 2
PAS Board of Directors meetings; presenting budgets and bylaw changes.
Steve also attended
countless meetings with PAS committees and chapters, met with a number of artists invited to
perform at PASIC, and presided over the PAS awards ceremony at the Thursday evening concert.
Steve also presided over the Hall Of Fame Celebration and announced the awards at the Friday evening concert. He met
regularly with Industry folks throughout the conference and welcomed the audience to the Saturday evening concert.
Bravo (and thanks!) to Steve Houghton!
Want to read more!
Please be sure to check out the "News and Events" section of the
IU Jacobs School of Music Department Website
at:
https://music.indiana.edu/degrees-programs/areas-of-study/percussion.html
.
Those of you who want to look back at some previous PASICs - click
HERE
.
Special thanks to all of our summer percussion academy/workshop faculty: Kevin Bobo, Christopher
Deviney, Steve Houghton, John Kilkenny, Stanton Moore, Michael Spiro, Leigh Howard Stevens, and
John Tafoya.
Information on the 2010 IU Summer Percussion Academy/Workshop will be posted within the next month
or so at:
http://www.music.indiana.edu/special_programs/summer_percussion
or email John Tafoya at
johntafoya@aol.com
for more information.
NATIONAL ORCHESTRAL INSTITUTE 2009
NOI Percussion Section Photo (left to right): Rob, Alison, Joe N., Joe L., Katy, Ross, and Yours Truly...
Another great chamber music week with some incredibly talented percussionists at the National Orchestral Institute in
College Park, Maryland. During this past week the NOI percussion section rehearsed and performed Dave Hollinden's "The
Whole Toy Laid Down", Bruce Hamilton's "Raptures of Undream", Nigel Westlake's "Omphalo Centric Lecture", and Part 2
of Daniel Levitan's Marimba Quartet. They will also perform "Ogoun Badagris" by Christopher Rouse later in the festival.
For more information on upcoming NOI performances please check out:
http://www.music.umd.edu/special_programs/national_orchestral_institute/
.
From February 23 - March 1, 2009 I had the good fortune to be part of the 2009 Arizona MusicFest held in Scottsdale,
Arizona (Robert Moody, Music Director). The final week of this impressive winter music festival included 4 orchestra
concerts (Brahms: Symphony No. 1, Beethoven: Symphony No. 3, Vaughan Williams: Dona Nobis Pacem, Dvorak: Cello
Concerto with Lynn Harrell). During the week I also had the opportunity to work with the very talented students at Arizona
State University (Prof. J.B. Smith, host) and the University of Arizona in Tuscon, AZ (Prof. Norman Weinberg, host).
2009 AZ MusicFest Percussion Section: Benjamin Irons, Jim Nelson, John Tafoya, Steve Fitch, and
Matthew Darling
More Rave Reviews for the IU Percussion Ensemble!
The IU Percussion Ensemble received another
favorable review in the Bloomington Herald newspaper
today. Click
HERE
to read the review.
Check out the latest
WFIU interview
leading up to the final IU
Festival Orchestra Concert.
The IU Summer Percussion Academy/Workshop was a
Terrific Success!
This intensive 5 day workshop featured international renowned artists including:
Keith Aleo, Christopher Deviney, Gordon Gottlieb, Steve Houghton, John
Kilkenny, Glenn Kotche, Gordon Stout, John Tafoya, and She-e Wu
.
Click
HERE
to visit our official IU Summer Percussion Website. To view a larger
version of our flyer, click
HERE
.
The official website for the IU 2008 Summer Percussion Academy and Workshop
(and future summer offerings) can be found by clicking
HERE
or Email John Tafoya
at:
jtafoya@indiana.edu
for additional information.
Keep checking out the
IU Percussion Department website
for our latest activities
and for future summer offerings!
ALSO: A BIG THANK YOU to all of our Academy/Workshop counselors and
volunteers: Will Reno, Ross Erickson, Josh Bowman, Kirk Etheridge, Claire
Walker, Christopher Latournes, Mary McCauley, Dan Morris, Nick Stone,
Tim Crockett, Greg Mueller, David Spencer, Brian Gardiner and the entire
IU percussion department!
National Orchestral Institute 2008
I had the fortunate privilege to work with the talented percussionists at the National Orchestral Institute (at the University
of Maryland) during the first week of June. The first week of NOI includes chamber repertoire - and we covered a
substantial amount of works including: Chavez/Toccata, Hetrick/Tip of the Andes, Deane/Vespertine Formations,
Westlake/Omphalo Centric Lecture, Levitan/Marimba Quartet, and Burritt/Doomsday Machine. I was also involved in a
faculty recital performance of Stravinsky's l'histoire du soldat.
I had a terrific time working with the talented students at Northwestern University on Monday, March 10. Special thanks to
hosts Professor Michael Burritt and James Ross. Thank you also to Avedis Zildjian, Grover Pro Percussion, and Remo Inc.
IU Students Receive International Acclaim
Congratulations
to David Constantine, Josh Frans, and Jake Harpster!
Click
HERE
to read the details!
Read the February 4, 2008 article featuring David Constantine online at:
http://www.idsnews.com/news/story.aspx?id=48673&comview=1
.
In Memoriam: George Gaber
Feb. 24, 1916 - Nov. 21, 2007
On Sunday, November 25, funeral services were held in Bloomington, Indiana to
celebrate the life and accomplishments of George Gaber.
Distinguished Professor of Music at Indiana University from 1960-1986, Mr. Gaber
revolutionized percussion education. Many of his students enjoy successful careers
as performers and educators all over the world.
Click
here
to read the obituary from the Bloomington Herald Times.
IU Percussion Ensemble receives rave
reviews!
The IU Percussion Ensemble performed two terrific
concerts this semester (October 29 and November
12). The November 12 concert was reviewed in the
Bloomington Herald Times
.
Check out the IU Percussion Department's
website
for
the latest IU percussion news.
Click
HERE
to visit the IU Percussion Ensemble's
website.
IU Percussion Website Info
Be sure to check out the new information at the IU Percussion Website. We are currently updating this area, which will
eventually include a podcast of our "opening night" faculty performances and general meeting with our (over 60!)
percussion majors!
Check it out at:
http://www.music.indiana.edu/department/percussion/
The Opening Night performance video can be found
HERE
University of Maryland Summer Percussion Workshop Performs New Work
by Peter Erskine
Peter Erskine's new work; "A Bird Sings" (dedicated
to the memory of John Wyre) was premiered during
the 2007 University of Maryland Summer
Percussion Workshop.
This work was performed by workshop artist
faculty: Alan Abel, Christopher Deviney, John
Kilkenny, James Swarts, John Tafoya, and
She-e Wu.
Another Successful Summer Percussion Workshop!
Artist faculty for this summer (July 2007) included:
Alan Abel, Aubrey Adams, Keith Aleo, F. Anthony Ames, Fred
Begun, Christopher Deviney, Peter Erskine, John Kilkenny, John Tafoya, Tom Teasley, She-e Wu,
and the
Talujon Percussion Quartet.
Paul Yancich
participated in a special internet videoconferencing session.
In addition to a variety of masterclasses, clinics, and performances the UM Summer Percussion Workshop faculty presented
the world premier performance of a new work for percussion ensemble by Peter Erskine; "A Bird Sings", dedicated to the
memory of Mr. John Wyre.
Click
HERE
to view the full press release.
Rick Holmes Article
Read this interesting article on Rick Holmes from Playbill at:
http://www.playbillarts.com/features/article/6222.html
.
"Virtual Masterclass" via iChat
Tafoya travels quickly (online) to the Grieg Academy in Bergen, Norway ...
Peter Kates
, (pictured on right) principal percussionist with the Bergen Philharmonic Orchestra and professor of
percussion at the Grieg Academy of Music, and I used Apple's iChat software to experiment with a "virtual masterclass";
playing xylophone and snare drum over the internet. This kind of video conferencing will take place throughout the
semester between the very talented percussionists at the Grieg Academy and the University of Maryland. We will also use
this technology to "videochat" with John Beck, David Herbert, Shawn Pelton, and Paul Yancich during the 3rd Annual
University of Maryland Summer Percussion Workshop
(July 22-28, 2007).
Tafoya performs Wada:
Three Fragments
The American Wind Symphony Orchestra, under the direction of Robert Austin
Boudreau, just released a new CD entitled; "Concertos All And Sundry"
featuring John Tafoya performing Kaoru Wada's "Three Fragments; Concertante
for Timpani, Percussion and Wind Symphony" with the University of Maryland
Wind Ensemble under the direction of Robert Austin Boudreau.
A Big Crowd at PASIC 2006
Over 800 people checked out my clinic at PASIC on Friday, November 12th. The topic: "Plan B"; Unusual Techniques for
the orchestral timpanist to accommodate extraordinary requests from the podium. The "timp-cam" was used again;
giving the audience a top view of my instruments on television monitors. The tone of the clinic reached comical proportions as
various scenarios were introduced (playing an incredibly soft roll, how to play very fast passages, shaping rolls,
experimenting with single and double stickings, drum set up, pitch assignments, muffling, and specialty mallets). Special
thanks to: American Drum Manufacturing Co., Grover Pro Percussion, Remo Inc., and the officers of PAS.
More Photos
(click on the photo for a larger image)
Special thanks to Bruce Davies for these GREAT PHOTOS!
UM Summer Percussion Workshop Featured
on Vic Firth Website
Check out Vic Firth's coverage of the UM Summer Percussion Workshop
HERE
.
UM Summer Percussion Workshop Featured
on Grover Pro Website
Check out Grover Pro's coverage of the UM Summer Percussion Workshop
HERE
.
Performance Spotlight: ROBERT VAN SICE
Robert Van Sice performs a newly commissioned work by Alejandro
VinÂao entitled Estudio de Frontera. The
selections from this performance were from a masterclass at the
University of Maryland and include percussionists John Kilkenny,
Adam Green, James Swarts and John Biessi. More information about
this podcast can be found
HERE
.
Another Successful Summer Percussion Workshop at the University of Maryland
The participants of the 2006 UM Summer Percussion Workshop pose one last time for a photo just before the Grand Finale
Concert featuring various percussion ensemble works.
More photos of the 2006 UM Summer Percussion Workshop can be viewed
HERE
.
Here are some of our 2006 UM Summer Percussion Workshop faculty. Left to Right: Tom Teasley, Scott Pollard, Adam
Green, and Mark Dinitz (Attacca Percussion Group), John Tafoya, Tim Adams, Peter Erskine, Aubrey Adams, She-e Wu,
Christopher Deviney, and John Kilkenny. This photo was taken following a faculty recital which took place on Monday, July
24 in the Clarice Smith Center for the Performing Arts. Other faculty for this week included: Tony Ames, Steve Fidyk, Neil
Grover, Rebeccca Kite, Talujon, Robert Van Sice, and Greg Zuber.
Steve Fidyk and Peter Erskine perform with the U.S. Jazz Army Blues
July 23 was the start of the 2006 UM Summer Percussion Workshop. Over 45 participants were treated to drum set clinics
(by Fidyk and Erskine) in the afternoon followed by a terrific concert at 7 pm.
NSO Performs Dutilleux's
Correspondances
Here is a photo of my set up (8 drums, including a 16" piccolo for
a high F# above middle-C) for Henri Dutilleux's
Correspondances
for Soprano and Orchestra.
More information on the performances can be found
HERE
.
Special Thanks to David Herbert,
Principal Timpanist with the San Francisco
Symphony Orchestra
David presented a terrific timpani masterclass at the University
of Maryland on Sunday, April 23, 2006
Tafoya Masterclasses at DePaul University and Virginia Commonwealth University
I had a a great time working with the talented percussionists at DePaul University on Monday, April 3rd and with the terrific
percussionists at Virginia Commonwealth University (Richmond, VA) on April 12th.
Special thanks to
Grover Pro Percussion
,
Remo
,
Zildjian
, and Mr. Eric Millstein/DePaul University and Mr. Kristopher S.
Keeton/VCU for sponsoring these events!
NSO Returns from Nebraska Residency/East Coast Tour
Photos of the tour can be found
HERE
.
Additional photos can be found at Danny Villanueva's site:
HERE
.
Let it SNOW NSO!
The NSO Percussion section dressed up appropriately while performing
Mozart's German Dance No. 3 for a Family concert that was presented at the
Kennedy Center on March 12th.
Tuned sleighbells are featured in this German Dance ....
Click on the photo if a larger image is desired.
Special Thanks to Professor J.B. Smith
J.B. presented a very interesting masterclass using computer software to test how we perform rhythms and to improve
sightreading abilities. It was a lot of fun! He also presented a recital that evening (March 13) performing works by Carl
Vine, Eric Richards, J.B. Smith, Edmund J. Campion, and Daniel Lentz. Dr. J.B. Smith is professor of percussion at Arizona
State University.
New Website!
Please check out my friend and colleague, Tony Ames' new
website at:
www.tonyames.com
.
Tony is principal percussionist with the National Symphony
and serves on the percussion faculty at the University of
Maryland.
New!
RT-1500 and RT-1000 Round Top Glockenspiels
Offered in two new Expanded ranges up to F8.
Bars: 7/16" x 1 1/4", unique nickel plating that will NEVER flake.
Both models come in Fall Creek's extraordinary Resonator Cases. Will tune to suit. More information can be found at:
www.marimbas.com/k100.html
.
Special Thanks to Mr. Ron Barnett!
Ron Barnett (previous professor of percussion at the University
of Maryland and principal timpanist for the Kennedy Center Opera
House Orchestra) presented a terrific masterclass at the
University of Maryland on March 3.
Mr. Barnett introduced some interesting sightreading techniques
and elaborated on important musical concepts to consider when
performing auditions.
Special Thanks to Mr. Dean Borghesani!
Dean Borghesani, principal timpanist with the Milwaukee Symphony Orchestra presented a timpani masterclass on February
17th. In addition to discussing the "audition scene"; offering practical advice on how to succeed at auditions, several UMD
students also performed orchestral excerpts.
Special Thanks to Mr. Nick Woud!
Nick Woud, Solo Timpanist with the Royal Concertgebouw Orchestra, presented a terrific timpani masterclass at the
University of Maryland on Monday, February 13. In addition to discussing his concept of sound and technique for the
timpani several UMD students performed for Mr. Woud.
Special thanks to Adams/Pearl.
Special Thanks to Mr. Mark Latimer
Mark Latimer
, Section Leader and Timpanist for the "President's Own"
United States Marine Band, presented a timpani clinic at the University of
Maryland on Friday, February 3rd.
Mark presented a number of important musical and practical advice and
several UMD students performed orchestral timpani excerpts.
The Working Timpanist's Survival Guide hits
www.amazon.com
!
But WHO would add this book to their wedding registry?? -------------------^
New Percussion Website
Professional Percussion Products
NEW website is now online.
Check it out at:
http://www.professionalpercussionproducts.com
.
A Special Thank You to
Fred Begun
Fred Begun
visited the University of Maryland's School of Music on December 2nd. A Timpani "mock" audition took place
followed by a discussion of orchestral timpani excerpts.
A Special Thank You to
Allison Miller
Allison Miller
presented a wonderful drum set clinic on Wednesday, November
30, at the University of Maryland's School of Music.
SPECIAL THANKS to the
Avedis Zildjian Company
,
Vic Firth
, and
Yamaha
.
A Special Thank You to
Angela Zator Nelson!
Ms. Angela Zator Nelson
, Associate Principal Timpanist and
Percussionist with the Philadelphia Orchestra, presented a terrific
masterclass on Monday, November 28 from 3-4:30 pm at the
University of Maryland.
SPECIAL THANKS to the
Avedis Zildjian Company
!
Youth Orchestra Day
Students from area youth orchestras performed a special concert,
conducted by Maestro Leonard Slatkin, along with NSO musicians on
November 18th at the Kennedy Center.
More information on this performance can be found
HERE
.
The NSO Youth Fellows will be featured in a recital this evening at the
Kennedy Center. Click
HERE
to see it LIVE (6 pm EST on 11/19/05).
Congratulations to Sean Haleem!
Sean recently received a First Place Prize in the University of Maryland's Ulrich
Competition in Solo Performance.
Sean is currently a DMA student at the University of Maryland; studying with
Mr. Tony Ames.
Read more about it
HERE
.
More Drums!
A pair of old 28" and 25" Leedy (Indianapolis) timpani.
Check them out in my
Drums and Sticks
section.
Ebay is a wonderful thing!
PASIC 2005
Columbus, Ohio, November 2-5. Click
HERE
for 2005 PASIC Photos!
The NSO returns from a West Coast Tour and Residency of Nevada
Check out photos my from the tour
HERE
. You can also check out Danny Villanueva's online photos (Danny is a University
of Maryland DMA student who played extra percussion on the NSO tour)
HERE
.
"Symph Caddy" (modified) by King Kong Kases
Mr. Buz King, from King Kong Kases,
created a TERRIFIC timpani mallet (and
timpani tools) trunk which I use for all NSO
tours.
The trunk model is known as the
"Symph Caddy" - check it out:
HERE
.
A few modifications were made to make
this trunk "timpani friendly"; including a
hinged door and eliminating the cymbal
section of the trunk. With this set-up, I am
able to store my tools and mallet case
easily.
Thanks Buz!
NSO 75th Anniversary 3 CD Set
Available Mid-September. Only 1000 copies will be made of this
commemorative 3-CD collection featuring memorable performances by the
Orchestra with each of its 5 music directors: Hans Kindler (1931-1949),
Howard Mitchell (1949-1969), Antal Dorati (1970-1977), Mstislav
Rostropovich (1977-1994) and current music director Leonard Slatkin.
The CD can be ordered online through the Kennedy Center Gift Shop at:
www.kennedy-center.org/giftshop/html/categoryDetail.cfm?
categ_id=2003092214201318
.
Click
HERE
for even more OLD news!